From the MSA Cross Country meeting

The meeting was good, very enjoyable.

An interesting mix of people, with a range of passions & personalities, so should make for an interesting series of meetings.

We had brief reports from Ian Davis (MSA) and Chris Tomley (chair) regarding general MSA matters:

• There is a review on Stewarding, primarily focused on Karting, but will extend across the board in time
• Cross Country permits are down about 1%, and competitor numbers are down about 8%
• Road Closures are getting a lot of attention, and there is pressure to produce something, but there are no outputs from that group as yet.

The consultation process is being changed
The current process is that:

1. The sub-committee meets & comes up with some ideas.
2. These go to the general council who like it or kick it back.
3. If they like it, it gets published in Motorsport Now & we all get to see it, review it, and write to the MSA to tell them how daft they're being... if not, it goes back to the sub-committee for re-work
4. The consultation report then goes back to Council, who review it, and then....
5. It either goes live, or goes back to the sub-committee to start again.

The new system is both more streamlined, and keeps the focus for rule changes at the sub-committee level:

1. The sub-committee meets & comes up with some ideas.
2. These are then posted to the MSA web site for consultation (http://msauk.org/site/cms/newslist.asp?chapter=276&cat=10).
3. The second sub-committee meeting then reviews the responses from the consultation process. There are either major changes requiring another round of consultation or minor changes & the new rules are passed to Council for ratification.
4. Council meet & then either pass the rules or kick them back as being daft.

Given the time-frame mentioned above, the deadline for Cross Country to get new rules to Council will be June/July, so we are going to move our meetings to Early December & Spring-time.

Challenge Events
We spent a long time (over an hour) discussing Challenge Events. We'd had a long email from someone about the proposed Challenge rules, many of which were centered around the principle that the proposed rules tried to cover both the extreme, frequently-submerged, winching, full-on Challenge events with highly specialised vehicles with 97" tyres, 43 winches, and fiddle/lockable everything; to the gentler events, where winches are not wanted & the challenge is in the navigation, not the terrain.

We have re-purposed (well, just slightly re-worded) the rules for Cross Country Orienteering & they will then cover the gentler challenge events, leaving the new rules less encumbered by the need to support both styles of events.

It will be interesting to see what comes back from that....

Speeds at Comps
We then moved onto comps, and the thought that average speeds had gone up.
Karl Reilly borrowed a speed gun and tested speeds at the BCCC event at Sweet Lamb. He found that speeds were generally about 20% lower than the drivers thought they were, and were about 15% up on 2003. The biggest difference was not the top-end speed, but the handling into & out of corners, and the improvements in suspension that allowed cars to cross rougher ground at higher speeds.
This single report implies that top-end speed is not as big an issue as was first believed, however one report is inconclusive, so the committee wishes more tests to be done, across the range. (Roger Reed will take some readings at some Scottish Comps, and the Borders Hill Rally.)
The results will be fed back to the committee, so we can get a feel for what's happening out "in the field" (if you forgive the pun.)

Tyres
Malatesta Kobra NT (http://www.tyresdirectuk.co.uk/xcart/home.php?cat=271) are to be included, and two Colways re-moulds are to be added.

Generally speaking, however, unless its obvious that the tyre is a pattern-copy of a tyre on the list, the committee needs to see an actual tyre to accept them (photo's are all very well, but you don't get a feeling for the size & aggression of lugs & lumps from a photo... and it allows an independent verification of the tyre rating ... 'cos its written on the carcass :) )

[As an aside, I was having a chat with a Competitor last night, and he swears by UK-made tyres... reckons the side-walls are way stronger that European imports!]

An Inter-Association Cross Country event
This is Roger Reeds baby, born back at the turn of the century with the help of Dave Barker.
The original concept was to be for an RTV, however the world has moved on since then, and times have changed.
After some discussion, the idea is now to have a Tyro event.
Each Association can put forward as many teams as they like, and the teams can be of any age, however the Inter-Associational Trophy itself is only open to teams where the drivers are under 17 (note to self: question if that is that up-to-and-including 17, or up-to-and-including 16.) Teams are three drivers (vehicles can have multiple drivers, etc...)
The event should cater for any number of teams, and should consider allowing non-associational entries to take part.
The plan is to have an event in early August, somewhere in the Midlands (Andrew Flanders will investigate).... in 2011
(Oh, and note that SACC has a history of paying for teams entering inter-associational events!)

BCCC
There was discussion about the BCCC, and it would be nice for the Cross Country Committee to see the results of the MSA Cross Country Championship.
There was some rumination on the current style of championship and if that was what was wanted, or whether it should be broadened to include the Baja & Hill Rallies as well as Comp Safaris.
I expressed my somewhat biased position (as the chairman of the only club running Hill rallies!), but would be delighted to have Hill Rallies as part of a larger championship.
This lead on to a rambling discussion about road legal & traveling to France & closed roads & event entries covering you on the public highway & ....

One question I did ask was "If there was a championship that had rounds run by different clubs, how many cars are you looking at for a comp?" - we reckoned it would be between 50 & 80 cars, and you would need to do a 15-lap, two day, comp safari.

And personally: I'm wondering if Scotland should host a Comp Safari round? Could we find a piece of land that could sustain 70 cars doing 15 laps over two days? -- that's over 1,000 vehicle-laps.... that's a lot of wear on the ground! Given we're already running the only available Hill Rallies, do we want to try and do a Comp too?